"I wonder if Kirk dwells in some strange, unrevealed paradise or something."
I suppose I should thank Frank Tassone. First, he’s deemed my writing worthy of attention and critical analysis, even if he can’t restrain himself from some gratuitous ad hominem attacks. Second, he’s given me a good quotation that I can use in a new Blog Explosion banner ad, if I feel inclined to make a new one.
He has a hang-up with the Ten Commandments. Seems like he sees government deifying itself just because some public buildings display them. Yeah. I'm sure that's it. Wonder if he has the same concern when that Judicial Branch of Government defines the reality of freedom for the nation? I'll bet a pint of guiness [sic] I'll here [sic] crickets if I ask him.
If you’re hearing the sound of crickets, it’s because I didn’t understand the question. He seems to be asking a very vague question in the hope of receiving a very specific response that he can pounce on in order to score some cheap rhetorical points. Frankly, I’m concerned about all branches of government defining the reality of freedom, but I’m enough of an optimist to believe that no branch of government will have the final say about it. I’m sure that’s not the response Tassone is looking for, so somebody give the man his Guinness. Heck with it, buy him a six-pack.
Consider all of the fantastic epics of history from every civilization of the ancient world. Where is [sic] lying, cheating, stealing and murder condemned in and of themselves? [emphasis his] In nearly ever [sic] epic, from Gilgamesh to The Odyssey, the hero engages in some type of behavior prohibited by the commandments. Instead of condemnation, his acts contribute to his heroic status.
The ancients understood as well as any modern
The Odyssey, of course, is a great yarn about a guy who defies the gods for twenty years in order to be reunited with his wife and child. How this epic could be improved by changing it into a morality play is beyond me. “And so, Odysseus decided to submit to the will of the gods, and never saw Penelope again. The End.” Nope, let’s try again. “And Odysseus’ men, ignoring their instincts to survive, did not kill any of the flock, and starved to death. The End.” No wait, this is even better. “And so, feeling guilty for stealing from the Cyclops’ flock, Odysseus’ men allowed the Cyclops to wreak his revenge upon them. The End.” That kind of story wouldn’t have survived a generation, much less a few millennia. One doesn’t look to literature to find things condemned in and of themselves. One finds that in the law. If the heroes of ancient epics sin, that proves only that moral relativism is as old as morality.
Besides, all Kirk has to do is pick up a newspaper or even check the headline news on his homepage. Look at how many choose to behave when they have figured out, with divine intervention, what evil acts are. Imagine how much worse they could act if it were completely up to them to figure it out on their own. Kirk clearly denies the reality of sin and it's [sic] consequence on our ability to reason, concupescience [sic], a disordered desire to sin and to avoid virtue.
That’s unnecessarily insulting. I live in a town of roughly a quarter million people, if you add in all the outlying communities. When I pick up the local paper and see a murder reported on the front page, I know that, leaving aside whether or not divine intervention was necessary, a quarter million people in fact have figured out that murder is evil, because a few of those people chose to publish the news, while the rest of them read the news and talked about how terrible that murder was. The evil (murder and otherwise) we read about in the paper is perpetrated by a very small number of people in proportion to the general population. The evil is in the paper because it is newsworthy. The evil is newsworthy because evil behavior is the exception, not the rule. Understanding this, I choose to be reassured rather than dismayed. That’s the nature of the “strange, unrevealed paradise” that I live in – along with Frank Tassone and everyone else in the world.
Only hardened atheists or their gullible dupes will find this "theocratic entity" business convincing. I don't know which of these Kirk is and I don't care in the context of this post.
Well, that’s a relief, because I also neither know nor care which I am. I’m leaning a bit toward “gullible dupe,” because that phrase comes closer to describing the human condition than “hardened atheists.” But Tassone isn’t using these two phrases in reference to humanity in general. He’s talking specifically about those who believe in “Biblical scholarship,” which I’m choosing to equate, fairly or not, with the notion that the books of the Bible should be subjected to the same critical analysis to which one would subject any other text. I see nothing wrong with that, and perhaps neither does Tassone. But let’s get to the heart of the matter.
He's certainly right that no government made by man--including the constitutional republic of the
Indeed, indeed! I did not conclude that the display of the commandments deifies government. I concluded that government endorsement of the display of the commandments deifies government. Here is the sentence Tassone is referring to: “When a modern government endorses the public display of the Ten Commandments, it is implicitly demanding a degree of respect that no government ever can deserve.” It’s perfectly possible for the government to display the Ten Commandments (or another religious document or icon) without such a display appearing to be an endorsement of the content thereof. The test typically applied by the courts is outlined in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). The rule in Lemon is that when the state sponsors the display of a religious symbol, the state action must (1) have a secular purpose, (2) not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion, and (3) not foster excessive entanglement with religion. The Supreme Court has also stated, in Lynch v. Donnelly, that the display of a religious symbol in “a typical museum setting … negates any message of endorsement of that content.” 465
Let me wrap up this long post. Many a critic has attempted to damn someone with faint praise. The title of Tassone’s post, “grasping at space grasps at straws,” is the first example I have yet seen of praising someone with faint damnation. Last time I checked, straws are more substantial than space. Maybe I should check again.